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	<title>Comments on: Super Web Analyst Tip 1: Tell me why you need this data before I give it to you!</title>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stéphane,

Thanks for your comments. Very helpful for me to know we all have the same challenges no matter which side we are in, practitioner or consultant. 

On your comment &quot;try to meet John right after the 2nd email&quot;: agree IF I do have time. 

On your comment &quot;if 95% of people “drop” your conversion funnel&quot;. Quite interesting point here. I guess the difference is, my goal for the &quot;site&quot; conversion funnel is to increase # of outputs/orders as much as possible while my goal for &quot;my&quot; conversion funnel is to filter out &quot;unqualified&quot; lead so that highly qualified lead can get through in reasonable time and efforts.

On your comment &quot;Stating the problem/opportunity is the client job, finding the right solution (data, insight) is mine&quot;. Absolutely agree. That&#039;s how I see my job really is. Sometimes I have to help my internal customers to think through their problems/opportunities because they only have vague ideas and couldn&#039;t clearly articulate what they are exactly looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stéphane,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments. Very helpful for me to know we all have the same challenges no matter which side we are in, practitioner or consultant. </p>
<p>On your comment &#8220;try to meet John right after the 2nd email&#8221;: agree IF I do have time. </p>
<p>On your comment &#8220;if 95% of people “drop” your conversion funnel&#8221;. Quite interesting point here. I guess the difference is, my goal for the &#8220;site&#8221; conversion funnel is to increase # of outputs/orders as much as possible while my goal for &#8220;my&#8221; conversion funnel is to filter out &#8220;unqualified&#8221; lead so that highly qualified lead can get through in reasonable time and efforts.</p>
<p>On your comment &#8220;Stating the problem/opportunity is the client job, finding the right solution (data, insight) is mine&#8221;. Absolutely agree. That&#8217;s how I see my job really is. Sometimes I have to help my internal customers to think through their problems/opportunities because they only have vague ideas and couldn&#8217;t clearly articulate what they are exactly looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.managinganalytics.net/2009/05/25/super-web-analyst-tip-tell-me-why-you-need-this-data-before-i-give-it-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, thanks. More tips to come!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, thanks. More tips to come!</p>
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		<title>By: S.Hamel</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.Hamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, and I like your approach.

I was recently asked to provide the list of all the reports available in tool XYZ. When I asked &quot;why&quot;, the answer was &quot;we want to see what&#039;s available&quot;. My answer was a resounding &quot;no!&quot; and I asked them to formulate their 3 highest business pains and said I would provide the data &amp; insight to help them. They never came back...

There&#039;s a couple of things I would do differently in the case you describe:
- if you are seeking to increase web analytics adoption, I would try to meet John right after the 2nd email. Face to face communication is critical in change management
- if 95% of people &quot;drop&quot; your conversion funnel (yep, you are a process, and you have conversions!), is it because their request wasn&#039;t serious enough or because your process wasn&#039;t efficient for them?
- as a former web architect, I always try to ask for the client pain or goal, not what they think is the right solution to solve their problem. Stating the problem/opportunity is the client job, finding the right solution (data, insight) is mine :)

John 1st &amp; 2nd emails express what John think is the solution. In the 3rd one you finally got a more appropriate business objective (although still like fishing rather than being a clearly stated SMART objective).

Stéphane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, and I like your approach.</p>
<p>I was recently asked to provide the list of all the reports available in tool XYZ. When I asked &#8220;why&#8221;, the answer was &#8220;we want to see what&#8217;s available&#8221;. My answer was a resounding &#8220;no!&#8221; and I asked them to formulate their 3 highest business pains and said I would provide the data &amp; insight to help them. They never came back&#8230;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a couple of things I would do differently in the case you describe:<br />
- if you are seeking to increase web analytics adoption, I would try to meet John right after the 2nd email. Face to face communication is critical in change management<br />
- if 95% of people &#8220;drop&#8221; your conversion funnel (yep, you are a process, and you have conversions!), is it because their request wasn&#8217;t serious enough or because your process wasn&#8217;t efficient for them?<br />
- as a former web architect, I always try to ask for the client pain or goal, not what they think is the right solution to solve their problem. Stating the problem/opportunity is the client job, finding the right solution (data, insight) is mine <img src='http://www.managinganalytics.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>John 1st &amp; 2nd emails express what John think is the solution. In the 3rd one you finally got a more appropriate business objective (although still like fishing rather than being a clearly stated SMART objective).</p>
<p>Stéphane</p>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip! 

I&#039;m really looking for the next one. I would like to transition into the Web Analytics world and I&#039;m really interested in learning more about the issues web analysts encounter on a day to day basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really looking for the next one. I would like to transition into the Web Analytics world and I&#8217;m really interested in learning more about the issues web analysts encounter on a day to day basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Godin Saying &#8220;No&#8221; @ SUPER WEB ANALYST</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Godin Saying &#8220;No&#8221; @ SUPER WEB ANALYST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] coincident. Yesterday I blogged about the first tip I shared with my fellow web analysts, titled &#8220;Tell me why you need this data before I give it to you!&#8221; Today I read a brief post by Seth Godin, &#8220;Saying [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] coincident. Yesterday I blogged about the first tip I shared with my fellow web analysts, titled &#8220;Tell me why you need this data before I give it to you!&#8221; Today I read a brief post by Seth Godin, &#8220;Saying [...]</p>
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